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Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
1/31/11 2:06 PM
A question that comes up a lot when using an external bluetooth GPS with Trackmaster is whether to use 5 Hz or 10 Hz GPS. With Trackmaster it's a misconception that 10 Hz is better than 5 Hz. In fact, it can be worse. If your device does not have a powerful processor that can handle the 10 Hz rate, you will have data logging issues. Data will be dropped or delayed. Only the latest devices with very powerful processors (1GHz+) can handle the higher rate. Also keep in mind that you are generating much more data with 10 Hz. So post-processing the data will take longer for analysis and export.

10 Hz is NOT more accurate than 5 Hz. Trackmaster interpolates data. This allows it to be very accurate. Some people attempt an accuracy calculation based on the refresh rate .2 secs (5Hz) and .1 secs (10Hz). Because Trackmaster interpolates data, this calculation is incorrect.

Unless you have a specific need for 10 Hz and have a powerful device, I recommend using a 5 Hz GPS over 10 Hz.

If you already have a 10 Hz GPS and are experiencing issues, you may be able to reprogram the GPS for a lower rate. The QStarz GPS allows you to do this.

Jeff
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
2/16/11 9:03 AM as a reply to Jeff Trackaroo.
Jeff Trackaroo:
A question that comes up a lot when using an external bluetooth GPS with Trackmaster is whether to use 5 Hz or 10 Hz GPS. With Trackmaster it's a misconception that 10 Hz is better than 5 Hz. In fact, it can be worse. If your device does not have a powerful processor that can handle the 10 Hz rate, you will have data logging issues. Data will be dropped or delayed. Only the latest devices with very powerful processors (1GHz+) can handle the higher rate. Also keep in mind that you are generating much more data with 10 Hz. So post-processing the data will take longer for analysis and export.

10 Hz is NOT more accurate than 5 Hz. Trackmaster interpolates data. This allows it to be very accurate. Some people attempt an accuracy calculation based on the refresh rate .2 secs (5Hz) and .1 secs (10Hz). Because Trackmaster interpolates data, this calculation is incorrect.

Unless you have a specific need for 10 Hz and have a powerful device, I recommend using a 5 Hz GPS over 10 Hz.

If you already have a 10 Hz GPS and are experiencing issues, you may be able to reprogram the GPS for a lower rate. The QStarz GPS allows you to do this.

Jeff


I think it's also notable that the DGPS (Differential GPS) system on the Qstarz 818XT doesn't function at the 10 Hz rate but does work at the 5 Hz rate. Even though I have one of the more powerful phones on the market, I would think that would be the deciding factor between one rate or another if you have the option to choose.
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
2/21/11 1:00 PM as a reply to Jeff Trackaroo.
just bought a qstarz 818xt. but i cant find the guide to switch it to 5hz. it has a manual switch but its only 1hz or 10 hz..

i think i saw some place here ????
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
2/23/11 5:12 PM as a reply to Jose Arellano Cervantes.
Jose Arellano Cervantes:
just bought a qstarz 818xt. but i cant find the guide to switch it to 5hz. it has a manual switch but its only 1hz or 10 hz..

i think i saw some place here ????


http://www.qstarz.com/download.htm

Go there and download QstarzGpsView.

You can setup your 818XT through that program, and one of the things it lets you configure is a 5/10hz toggle for when the device is on the 10hz position.
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
3/13/11 6:24 PM as a reply to loki goesrawr.
I've been using Trackmaster with a bluetooth GPS for some time at 10Hz, thinking more readings = more accuracy. I was assuming that you would be averaging (or filtering) the readings since there seems to be some variation from one reading to the next. (For example, look at the readings of a stationary GPS unit.)

Anyway, the unit I have is a Wintec G-Rays I. It supports 10 Hz, 4 Hz, 2 Hz, and 1 Hz (no 5 Hz). Do you recommend that I use 4 Hz?

Another question, which might be related: I'd like to run the Torque app at the same time as Trackmaster with an external bluetooth GPS? Torque will use the internal GPS as well as bluetooth to get data from a ODBII adapter. The phone is a Droid X.
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
3/25/11 11:48 AM as a reply to Jeff Trackaroo.
I've been using my friends 5hz gps receiver for a while now with great success on my OG droid over clocked to 1.25ghz . Recently we started running the same events/ run group so now I had to get my own...I ordered a 10hz receiver before I saw this thread :-(

I plan on getting a Droid bionic when it comes out (dual core 1ghz) when i get this phone will the 10hz be better? or should i just stick with 5hz (my friend has an atrix and he will trade me + cash for the 10hz)

when you say the 10hz is not more accurate do you mean its just as accurate location wise but samples for speed and other data will still be greater?


Sorry for the noob questions

Thanks
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
4/26/11 7:28 PM as a reply to Jeff Trackaroo.
I just used Trackmaster yesterday for the 1st time at PIR in Oregon. I'm running it on a Droid X. What fun.

I have some questions about the quality of the data and whether I should invest in a Bluetooth GPS receiver.

The data in Excel shows 106 readings over the 1.96 mile track. Approx every 1 second. With 5,280 feet to a mile and speeds ranging from high 30mph to over 130mph several times per lap, does this mean I'm gathering a data point every 114 feet average. BTW, using Google Earth, my racing 'line' is made up of straight sections that don't always overlap the track map. Is this due to the above sampling rate, or something to do with satellites?

If I use a 5hz or 10hz GPS receiver, how much more clear will the data be? How does a 5 or 10 rate compare to the native Droid X GPS sampling?

Thanks in advance for the clarification - great product. I'm looking forward to using this to improve my driving and setup.

Dan J
Portland, Or
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
4/27/11 11:16 AM as a reply to Dan P Johnson.
Can you verify the difference between using a GPS receiver v. GPS logger with the Trackmaster App?

From what I understand, with the RECEIVER, the phone needs to be within Bluetooth range and the transfer happens in real time - whereas if using a LOGGER, the phone does NOT need to be nearby, since you can download the data to the Trackmaster app at a later time.

There appears to be many more choices in LOGGERS relative to RECEIVERS and the price differential isn't significant.
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
4/29/11 7:05 AM as a reply to Dan P Johnson.
Dan P Johnson:
BTW, using Google Earth, my racing 'line' is made up of straight sections that don't always overlap the track map. Is this due to the above sampling rate, or something to do with satellites?
My guess it has something to do with the sampling rate and location of your phone.
When I switched to using a BT GPS at 5hz my line was on track rather than showing me off most of the time.
The BT GPS was a good investment.
I tape the GPS to my sunvisor and leave my phone in my pocket.
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
6/15/11 6:24 AM as a reply to Steven Schlossman.
As an added data point:

Most people testing 10hz GPS receivers on stuff like acceleration and deceleration runs have discovered that most 10Hz GPS receivers run on 5Hz refresh rates and simply interpolate the data internally using a Kalman filter or similar procedure. Usually there is not much benefit over using only the raw GPS data.
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
7/4/11 2:09 PM as a reply to loki goesrawr.
You can setup your 818XT through that program, and one of the things it lets you configure is a 5/10hz toggle for when the device is on the 10hz position


I see how to set the Update Rate, but I don't see how to configure to 5hz when the device is on the 10hz position. How do I do that?
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
7/5/11 1:54 PM as a reply to Bill Gordon.
Bill Gordon:
You can setup your 818XT through that program, and one of the things it lets you configure is a 5/10hz toggle for when the device is on the 10hz position


I see how to set the Update Rate, but I don't see how to configure to 5hz when the device is on the 10hz position. How do I do that?

I wasn't able to get the 10hz switch working at 5hz but you can reprogram the 1hz switch to work at 5hz. If you want or need 1hz for some reason, you could use the phone without the 818XT.
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
7/5/11 4:40 PM as a reply to James M.
It appears that you can set it after you turn the unit on and plug it into a computer and run the program, but you need to do this each time you turn it on, which means that you have to have a computer available whenever you use it.

If I could reprogram the 1hz switch to work at 5hz, and have it stay that way through a power cycle of the unit, I would be happy. The messages above imply that this can be done, but I don't see how.

Thanks. -bg
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
7/11/11 11:14 PM as a reply to Bill Gordon.
Bill Gordon:

If I could reprogram the 1hz switch to work at 5hz, and have it stay that way through a power cycle of the unit, I would be happy. The messages above imply that this can be done, but I don't see how.


Just did this on qstarz 818XT. Turn it on (1hz mode), plug USB in. Wait for drivers to install. Launch GpsView, set it to 5hz. Turn it off, unplug, close app, turn on (1hz), plug back in, launch GpsView again, hit "query" for the frequency setting, it shows 5hz and the update speed on the first page looks like 5hz to me.

Same dance but with 10hz switch, it remembers all settings but the frequency, seems to be stuck at 10hz.
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
7/13/11 12:25 PM as a reply to Dmitry A.
Just did this on qstarz 818XT. Turn it on (1hz mode), plug USB in. Wait for drivers to install. Launch GpsView, set it to 5hz. Turn it off, unplug, close app, turn on (1hz), plug back in, launch GpsView again, hit "query" for the frequency setting, it shows 5hz and the update speed on the first page looks like 5hz to me.


Thanks a bunch, Dimitry! I followed your instructions to the letter and it worked! -bg
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
7/22/11 12:41 PM as a reply to Paul O.
Paul O:


I think it's also notable that the DGPS (Differential GPS) system on the Qstarz 818XT doesn't function at the 10 Hz rate but does work at the 5 Hz rate. Even though I have one of the more powerful phones on the market, I would think that would be the deciding factor between one rate or another if you have the option to choose.


I've just bought the Qstarz BT-818XT and the BT GPS Service for Trackmaster. Just wanted to confirm whether 5Hz+DGPS is preferable to 10Hz?
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
7/22/11 3:13 PM as a reply to Salim Modi.
Salim Modi:
Paul O:


I think it's also notable that the DGPS (Differential GPS) system on the Qstarz 818XT doesn't function at the 10 Hz rate but does work at the 5 Hz rate. Even though I have one of the more powerful phones on the market, I would think that would be the deciding factor between one rate or another if you have the option to choose.


I've just bought the Qstarz BT-818XT and the BT GPS Service for Trackmaster. Just wanted to confirm whether 5Hz+DGPS is preferable to 10Hz?


Just to clarify, I'm intending to use this while go karting. It's a 900m circuit as shown in one of the pictures: here. I did a very unscientific test just walking around in a car park, and I didn't really notice any appreciable difference between the two modes I mentioned. If anything, the BT GPS Service was reporting slightly higher accuracy ratings for 10Hz, but it was very marginal. I have the Samsung Galaxy SII (i.e. dual-core 1Ghz), so I don't think processing power/storage should be much of an issue...
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
10/15/11 3:30 AM as a reply to Salim Modi.
Just to clarify, I'm intending to use this while go karting.


I do use Trackmaster for outdoor karting. First I tested my internal Galaxy S (i9000) GPS. Even with the phone in flight-mode the data was mostly shown off-track. Then I testet with an external device (blumax 4013) at 5Hz. With background data enabled, the result was as bad as with the internal GPS. But with only BT enabled everything worked as wished als you can see here.
Perhaps with a dual-core Phone (i9000 is single-core) it's possible to let some wireless services enabled an still get good results.
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
12/10/11 7:57 PM as a reply to Paul O.
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I think it's also notable that the DGPS (Differential GPS) system on the Qstarz 818XT doesn't function at the 10 Hz rate but does work at the 5 Hz rate. Even though I have one of the more powerful phones on the market, I would think that would be the deciding factor between one rate or another if you have the option to choose.[/quote]

I tried enabling DGPS (SBAS option) on my 818XT at 5Hz but it would not save the setting. When reconnected to the PC and checked in GPS view, it shows as being disabled. Is there a reason I can't save this setting to the unit?
RE: Bluetooth GPS 5 Hz vs. 10 Hz
12/11/11 11:38 AM as a reply to Timothy Aing.
Do you Query it first for its DGPS setting? GPSView will show it as Disabled by default. When you Query for status it should change to SBAS.